Review of a new tablet soon!

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XP-Pen sent me their new Artist Pro 16 (Gen2): they were curious if I could get it to work under Gnu/Linux without their proprietary driver.

Result: after a long evening of trial and error, tweaking Digimend/X11/xsetwacom, almost everything works now. 🎉

Of course, the deal is that if it works, I have to document it like I did with the Artist 24 Pro. So expect it soon™.

Btw, this one will stay on my desk: I had a serious crush on it while testing: super low latency & low parallax. 😍



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link Halla Rempt Krita lead dev, - Reply
halla@fosstodon.org

It also looks like it's just the right size!

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@halla Yes, it is. And I'm super impressed with it. Easily the best tablet I ever had. But I spent so far only 3h drawing with it. :blobwhistle: So maybe the ugly things will come later.

It's thin like an Intuos Pro Large, same size, and with a QuadHD 16:10 (so 2560x1600px). And the colorspace is large. This thing easily display real AdobeRGB. I feel they really listened to many reviews before doing this one. So many things "done right" at a first impression.

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link Halla Rempt Krita lead dev, - Reply
halla@fosstodon.org

I might be ordering one... Even though I have a huge and very capable cintiq. (Which colonizes my painting table, which is not good...)

link Jakub Steiner ⭐   - Reply
jimmac@mastodon.social

Wow, you're way more hardcore tweaker than I ever managed :)

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@jimmac 😆 😆 😆 Haha, I realise that too. I'm taking a dangerous path. If I continue on the same path, you'll find me in a couple of years proposing MR for the kernel and libinput.😅

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link Silmathoron   - Reply
silmathoron@floss.social

@jimmac speaking of MRs to the kernel, are there people who could do that, such that XP-Pen devices are supported out-of-the-box? How does Wacom do it (is it them or other people)?
I wonder how complicated it would be to get it done by building up on work like yours or kurikaesu's repo github.com/kurikaesu/userspace
Do you know or know people who could answer that?

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@silmathoron Yes, for kernel patch, see this type of patch git.sr.ht/~redstrate/linux/com

About Wacom; afaik, they open spec and (them, or Vfx/animation/3D studios) sponsor Red Hat to get the spec done in GNU/Linux.

Kurikaesu made a userspace driver (the repo you share); similar in a way to what the XPpen proprietary driver does technically afaik. I tested it, but it was long time ago (2 years?) I'll recheck it. A new visit of his work sounds good.

@jimmac

link Jakub Steiner ⭐   - Reply
jimmac@mastodon.social

I've sold my xp-pen because the driver situation is so sub-par. Even on the mac.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@odoben Oh yes, I'm following that commit after commit and each step on the review. :blobaww: I'm like super excited to get a Wayland workflow that works, and at the same time their is still a many area where I have no idea how −for example− I could make a tablet like this one functional under Wayland. No more xsetwacom/X11 for the input but only libinput; it feels I have to relearn how to make things from scratch, and I'm not even sure it is possible without compiling and coding.

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link Raghukamath Krita team, - Reply
raghukamath@mastodon.art

@odoben it is really coming up nicely. Hope the momentum stays the same. Right now there is no support for gamuts outside of sRGB though. So this tablet will not be used optimally on Wayland yet.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@raghukamath @odoben Oh yes, I think it will take years before getting a correct canvas pass-through for creative apps and images viewers...

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link Gen X-Wing   - Reply
breadbin@bitbang.social

@raghukamath @odoben I can’t help but think that Krita is a bit of a flagship product for KDE, so it would be very nice to get things like tablets to run smooth “out of the box” so to speak.

I don’t know anything about the architecture, but it sounds like there’s a fair bit of work needed. Hopefully it can get done.

(I’m no artists, but I’m very happy Krita exists. Use it on multiple platforms.)

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@breadbin I totally agree. But I also have a big bias about digital painting. 😉

@raghukamath @odoben

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link Gen X-Wing   - Reply
breadbin@bitbang.social

@raghukamath @odoben You certainly do:) But that’s ok because of all the work you do!

I’ve heard that KDELive isn’t bad either. I think it would make sense to focus on creative. Including being able to hook things up such as cameras etc.

link cliffp   - Reply
cliffp@mastodon.social

@odoben
There is currently no tool that I know of to configure my little Wacom under Wayland on Ubuntu. I used to use xsetwacom of course, so I asked the Debian developer of xsetwacom, but he knew of no such program under Wayland. So I switched back to XOrg. Programming it myself is not possible!

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@cliffp True. The Wayland architecture decision to put all the responsability of device configuration in the hand of each D.E. is , from my POV a big mistake. At least, xsetwacom was D.E. agnostic...

@odoben

link Odoben :neocat_flag_gay: :neurodiv:   - Reply
odoben@meow.social

@cliffp
They're going the exact opposite route compared to Xorg, where one display server had to support every possible use case, which made it difficult to maintain. I do agree that they overdid the minimalism with Wayland but from a protocol developer's point of view it makes sense.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@odoben True. I know I'll intensify my report and beta-test to give feedback about what is missing on Wayland (tablet side, KDE Plasma) before Wayland become the main solution on Fedora 40. I'm really motivated to be able to use it; it's interesting on a technology point of view and security point of view.

@cliffp

link Kuroichi Neko   - Reply
Zveryok@octodon.social

Sounds interesting to read in a blog post soon :)

link 🐻‍❄️   - Reply
me_the_fl00f@cybre.club

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org So, as they now know that it works using Linux ... they should donate some to the Fedi community. Cheaper promotion they can´t get. And maybe some BSD people (like me) would look at it and try it ;-)

link Ray Of Sunlight   - Reply
Ray_Of_Sunlight@mastodon.social

Lucky you

link Christophe Jammet   - Reply
cjammet@mastodon.online

nicely done!

link Tadayoshi   - Reply
TadayoshiFirefox@meow.social

now I am curious to see how this worked out.
Especially what does not work after the long evening. Did you test it with the drivers too?

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@TadayoshiFirefox I didn't test their driver, I have a clear idea of what and how it should work without it.

The things not working are:
- customisation of the top button of the stylus: it's a switch to "eraser device" as for AES stylus (Lenovo) or Ms Surface. I have a workaround, but it's not super elegant.
- Some buttons of the wireless numpad device are also requiring a bit of adaptation and constrained to not be customisable to all the keys possible.
So, it's minor. 🙂

link trianderror   - Reply
trianderror@kanoa.de


Looking forward to your documentation.
As a sidenote: Grant Abbitt is recommending the XP Pen Artist 16 as well: youtube.com/watch?v=LNSs9nBodi

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@trianderror Thanks for the link! I decided I'll not watch any review before finishing mine. It's way more fun to look at what other covered or not after. This way I'm not tempted to mimic their way to present or influenced by their observations. ☺️

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link davidak   - Reply
davidak@chaos.social

nice to see wacom having some competition.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@davidak Yes, first time I see the competition outrun them in terms of quality and perf.I hope XpPen will not dramatically increase their pricing if they keep up with this quality.

link Eugen Neuber   - Reply
euneuber@graz.social

you should put up an affiliate link to buy it. I'm always looking for such devices that work with Linux!

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@euneuber Thanks, I'll ask them if they have a coupon or promo code when I'll release the blog post + video. If it can save a little 5 or 10% 🙂

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link Johannes :verified_paw: :donor:   - Reply
jkbecker@infosec.exchange

what is this 👀👀👀

🖼️ original 

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@jkbecker It's part of the tablet packaging: it's a wireless remote. It has its own USB dongle, but can connect via bluetooth too.

It's more like a numeric keypad. evtest catches it, so it's possible to customise it with a /etc/udev/hwdb.d/ rule as I described in davidrevoy.com/article989/how- .
But it is a gadget; a good access to a full keyboard or a real numeric keypad customised might bring more possibilities of keys. I was describing the default layout an hour ago:

A photo of the remote, with label txt added on the top to describe the key: MSC_SCAN identifier and what they does by default. 4 ★

link touch fluffy tail   - Reply
fluffy@social.handholding.io

i could use something like that for my current workflow
can you but the device on its own somewhere?

link Tursiae   - Reply
tursiae@meow.social

Seeing companies actively trying to encourage OSS support like this is fantastic.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@tursiae I agree! 👍

link MHunt   - Reply
mhunt@socel.net

Have fun!

link InsaneAwesomeTony   - Reply
InsaneAwesomeTony@mastodon.gamedev.place

cat! 😻

link Scott Bronson   - Reply
sb@mas.to

well that was great timing… I was about to buy an external USB C monitor. But one that I can also use as a tablet for $100 more? Can’t pass that up. Thanks!

link rwdmiha   - Reply
rwdmiha@mastodon.social

You ought to put up a link for affiliates to buy it. Any such devices that are compatible with Linux are always welcome in my home!
phrazle.co


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