@lutfulmanan The Open Web is the Web we still have for now.
Someone saw those embarrassing "Best viewed with Microsoft Internet Explorer" GIFs and thought that not only was it a great idea, it didn't even go far enough, as it didn't actively block other browsers.
@clacke In light of Cloudflare and other walled-gardens, CAPTCHAs, etc, I cannot see how anyone can say we have an โopen webโ. @lutfulmanan /cc @hambach18
This is so true! Firefox has been my go-to for web browsers for probably over a decade. I hope they keep on fighting for all of us. #firefoxforever#firefox
This sums up my feelings on the matterโฆ I don't like everything Mozilla does, but my quibbles with them are far outweighed by my deep distrust of Google, and it does feel like a long, drawn out battle.
The circumstances for making this piece of art are unfortunate, but your end result is very pretty.
Une oeuvre qui reprรฉsente tellement de choses en ces moments troubles, applicable au meilleur face aux pires, thรฉologiquement, philosophiquement, humainement parlant de vรฉritรฉs et de libertรฉs.
Je sais: j'en fais trop; mais la libertรฉ peut au moins se targuรฉe d'รชtre illustrรฉe avec bontรฉ et beautรฉ de faรงon admirable sous votre plume.
Merci...encore...et en cลur...encore et en chลurs...
Your work and philosophy has always been an inspiration to me. This piece is striking in depicting our struggle for the Net in way that's so relevant but keeps your trademark sense of fantasy and wonder.
I hope one day I can make work like this, that makes people feel and go "Wow", without being a preachy political cartoon.
Art like this can change the course of history. <3 We are small, but mighty. . .brb let's all uninstall Chrome together. ๐
Love your work, David. And itโs definitely not your fault that we live in the worst possible timeline but whatโs missing in that image is the hand from Google giving Mozilla half a billion dollars.
(Mozilla exists on roughly half a billion dollars from Google every year. Sadly, theyโre not so much adversaries as partners.)
@laukanhenkka Google is a publicly-traded corporation with a fiduciary duty to its shareholders.
They cannot just give some organisation half a billion dollars unless they can make the case that theyโre getting more than half a billion dollars of value back from their investment.
Most visibly, Mozilla makes Google its default search engine on Firefox.
More than that, Mozilla gets to exist thanks to Google. No half a billion a year from Google, no Mozilla, no Firefox.
Yes, I knew that. Thank you for writing this, it is useful information.
It's hard to show all the subtle interactions and I had to sit on my own issues with Moz/Ff - e.g. all their failed non-sense side projects or recently their AI discourse to seduce investors.
It's a limitation of my illustration that I kept it as simple as possible to be more efficient with the message: if we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, the toxic adv industry wouldn't be such a monster.
> if we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, the toxic adv industry wouldn't be such a monster
If we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, Google would go bankrupt. When Google goes bankrupt, Mozilla would lose the half a billion dollars it needs from Google to survive so Mozilla would also go bankrupt. So the only way Mozilla and Firefox can continue to exist is if we donโt all use Firefox with UblockOrigin. Thatโs the gambit.
@aral Mozilla doesn't need to survive for Firefox to survive and be useful. There are already many forks of Firefox by people who think Mozilla already shouldn't have survived.
Without google or other ad-funded behemoths, web standard churn would be significantly reduced (and probably redirected to features people actually want).
Non-moz Firefox could keep up. It would be a slower pace than today, but it would be in a better direction.
@aral@immibis Those forks often nix Google as a default search engine, but the problem is the forks are far less popular so the masses do not escape the power of defaults. Also note the reason people favor the official version is to get fast security updates. Some of the forks have been shown to take weeks to apply a patch.
This is an amazing piece of artwork. Firefox in many ways feels like the last bastion before total chrome domination (ref browser engines), and that's such a scary thought.
Google has far too much power now in setting web standards.
Amazing illustration! Nobody in my real life ever understands why Google's or Meta's internet monopolization is a problem, not even the ones familiar with tech at large.
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davidrevoy
Here is the painting process of the illustration I posted today. Painted and created with the built-in Krita recorder.
Source file and high resolution wallpaper:: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/viewer/misc__2023-07-27_Fighting-For-The-Open-Web_by-David-Revoy.html (3840x2047px, license: CC-BY 4.0)
#Mastoart #ArtWithOpensource #krita #video #process
227 โgrindcrank@fnordon.de
This is great!
lutfulmanan@mastodon.online
What is an Open web? Darknet?
grum999@masto.ai
@lutfulmanan it's not Google Chrome Edge...
I've many things at the office that only works with Edge ๐
โjacabo@piaille.fr
@grum999 @lutfulmanan most often, those services actually work with Firefox, but will pretend not to when detecting it's user agent.
This is not malevolent, just the Devs avoiding supporting multiple platforms to ease their work
Using an extension on Firefox to spoof this user agent, such as https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-string-switcher/ may in some case make those apps work.
grum999@masto.ai
@jacabo @lutfulmanan Yes but I don't want to spoof the user agent
also, at the office I can't, everything is locked, practically impossible to modify any settings on laptop without being an administrator ๐ข
lebout2canap@mastodon.tedomum.net
@lutfulmanan Simply a web on which you can browse with the software you want from the OS you want, which has become unacceptable for Alphabet/Google.
raikas@mementomori.social
@lutfulmanan Internet, where one massive company doesn't get to choose who can use the it.
starsider@valenciapa.ws
@lutfulmanan A web where the users are in control and are not forced to watch ads and to give up private data.
clacke@libranet.de
@lutfulmanan The Open Web is the Web we still have for now.
Someone saw those embarrassing "Best viewed with Microsoft Internet Explorer" GIFs and thought that not only was it a great idea, it didn't even go far enough, as it didn't actively block other browsers.
That's "Web Environment Integrity".
digitalRightsNinja@fedi.at
@clacke
In light of Cloudflare and other walled-gardens, CAPTCHAs, etc, I cannot see how anyone can say we have an โopen webโ.
@lutfulmanan
/cc @hambach18
tzafrir@tooot.im
@lutfulmanan
Here is an open web and a closed web:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Garden_orb_weaver05.jpg
efi@chitter.xyz
Tunic
PGtheVRguy@mastodon.gamedev.place
@efi I thought the same too, still amazing art!
efi@chitter.xyz
@PGtheVRguy still? it's a plus!
Takiro@meow.social
@efi
Also Okami final boss.
pbaesse@ursal.zone
amazing art!!
omnisable@meow.social
the scale is somewhat accurate. The user base of FIrefox is unfortunately small and declining 8(
โShadowJonathan@tech.lgbt
okay wow :blobcateyes:โ
nc26@mastodon.social
looks like the fox from that video game Tunic.
freeplay@kitsunes.club
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org the uBlock origin also โ:ablobfoxbongohyper:โ
dana_cz@mastodon.art
That's amazing!
elr@fe.disroot.org
Unsure if I would put exactly a Firefox reference or better Carrot with moon powers from a Pale Moon :^3
Jushido_Brown@fgc.network
Great work!
azlux@social.azlux.fr
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Trop bien ! ๐บ
catrionaroberts@mastodon.art
Wonderful work!!!
vinzv@floss.social
Oh, that is wonderful!
pasci_lei@social.tchncs.de
Reminds me of this, and that is exactly how it feels like.
๐ผ๏ธ 4029405c05d9747a.jpegolinasc@fosstodon.org
I'd definitely would read or watch this series... cheering for the underdog naturally
โJax_@universeodon.com
That looks really good!
starsider@valenciapa.ws
Stunning. Go, little fox, go!!
rapta@floss.social
I love the detail of the uBO shield held by little Firefox
#ublock #uBlockOrigin
solarsong@m.cmx.im
I love your art!
teslawf@mamot.fr
ah oui le voyageur dans Destiny 2
chris@galegale.online
that's an awesome pic
Narf_Raccoon@meow.social
This is just, wow. Lovely work ๐
obi0bi@mastodon.social
i love the artwork and the message
cragsand@universeodon.com
Beautiful! Wow
Defaced5960@mastodon.social
This is so true! Firefox has been my go-to for web browsers for probably over a decade. I hope they keep on fighting for all of us. #firefoxforever #firefox
morales@pixel.tchncs.de
Tunic?
viji5369@social.bau-ha.us
please make more art with open source content :D
Even though FOSS is far ahead in ethical values, people need an aesthetic narrative to switch.
Unfortunately it's hard to excite people with pure facts.
yon@sakurajima.social
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Amazing artist, and walking the walk.
You are an actual inspiration in a sea of the opposite. Keep it up!
heschy@mastodon.social
This is so beautyful, and the Firefox is soo cute ๐
prayag_suthar@mastodon.social
Gorgeous work.... And I also love that it's made with Krita!! ๐จ๐
FatehveeronMastodon@mastodon.social
I don't like Chrome. It's made by Google due to the fact that Google is ads.
jovian@piaille.fr
firefox makes me think of the cute fox in tunic. Great art!
digitalfox@yip.vulpine.engineer
This sums up my feelings on the matterโฆ I don't like everything Mozilla does, but my quibbles with them are far outweighed by my deep distrust of Google, and it does feel like a long, drawn out battle.
The circumstances for making this piece of art are unfortunate, but your end result is very pretty.
faoluin@chitter.xyz
Reminds me of the little fox from Tunic. :blobfoxheart:
vegafjord@freeradical.zone
Make the web lighterโ
nunux@mastodon.social
Une oeuvre qui reprรฉsente tellement de choses en ces moments troubles, applicable au meilleur face aux pires, thรฉologiquement, philosophiquement, humainement parlant de vรฉritรฉs et de libertรฉs.
Je sais: j'en fais trop; mais la libertรฉ peut au moins se targuรฉe d'รชtre illustrรฉe avec bontรฉ et beautรฉ de faรงon admirable sous votre plume.
Merci...encore...et en cลur...encore et en chลurs...
nunux@mastodon.social
...en corps et en cลurs...encore et en chลurs...
imarfisi@mas.to
โThis is fantastic work! ๐ Very inspiring ๐
We are lucky to have you in the #Fediverse.
davidrevoy
@imarfisi
imarfisi@mas.to
can I use your art in the last chapter of my habilitation thesis to direct research? How should I cite it properly?
โThank you.
davidrevoy
@imarfisi Hey, sure! You can copy the line under my artwork here: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/viewer/misc__2023-07-27_Fighting-For-The-Open-Web_by-David-Revoy.html , it contains the title, my name and the license.
imarfisi@mas.to
excellent. Thank you!
skelric@mastodon.online
A laudable fight!
The conversation is becoming global so is increasingly a target for those who would control that interaction.
rubencapiau@mastodon.social
That is ... beautiful ๐คฉ. Keep up the good work!
cumberboi@techhub.social
this is so awesome omg
golemwire@librem.one
I was thinking this was a Majora's Mask reference ๐
iok@shelter.moe
une autre magnifique oeuvre mon gars
Saufian
Hop, new wallpaper obtained !
Amazing art :kirby_happy:
doachs@ipv6.social
Pretty sure I can hear this image, and chrome has a very scary sound to it.
yoyunix@mastodon.social
all we can hope for now is that their new ad standard doesnโt catch onโฆ or that someone finds a workaround ๐
Orca@nya.one
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org "Big Chrome is watching you"
KyleBlaine@mastodon.gamedev.place
Your work and philosophy has always been an inspiration to me.
This piece is striking in depicting our struggle for the Net in way that's so relevant but keeps your trademark sense of fantasy and wonder.
I hope one day I can make work like this, that makes people feel and go "Wow", without being a preachy political cartoon.
Art like this can change the course of history. <3
We are small, but mighty. . .brb let's all uninstall Chrome together. ๐
theotheroracle@tech.lgbt
what a cool way to illustrate that
twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
You seriously consistently make the coolest stuff. Can we please be friends.
yurec@mast.yurec.online
Wow! So amazing! ๐คฉ
kkarhan@mstdn.social
using @mozilla #Firefox and espechally @torproject #TorBrowser is an act of #Digital #SelfDefense today...
aral@mastodon.ar.al
Love your work, David. And itโs definitely not your fault that we live in the worst possible timeline but whatโs missing in that image is the hand from Google giving Mozilla half a billion dollars.
(Mozilla exists on roughly half a billion dollars from Google every year. Sadly, theyโre not so much adversaries as partners.)
laukanhenkka@mastodonsuomi.fi
@aral What does this partnership entail? Is FF doing something beneficial for Google to get their money?
OliverUv@mastodon.social
@laukanhenkka @aral they set Google to be the default search engine in FF
aral@mastodon.ar.al
@laukanhenkka Google is a publicly-traded corporation with a fiduciary duty to its shareholders.
They cannot just give some organisation half a billion dollars unless they can make the case that theyโre getting more than half a billion dollars of value back from their investment.
Most visibly, Mozilla makes Google its default search engine on Firefox.
More than that, Mozilla gets to exist thanks to Google. No half a billion a year from Google, no Mozilla, no Firefox.
davidrevoy
@aral Thanks!
Yes, I knew that. Thank you for writing this, it is useful information.
It's hard to show all the subtle interactions and I had to sit on my own issues with Moz/Ff - e.g. all their failed non-sense side projects or recently their AI discourse to seduce investors.
It's a limitation of my illustration that I kept it as simple as possible to be more efficient with the message: if we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, the toxic adv industry wouldn't be such a monster.
14 โaral@mastodon.ar.al
I hear you and empathise :)
> if we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, the toxic adv industry wouldn't be such a monster
If we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, Google would go bankrupt. When Google goes bankrupt, Mozilla would lose the half a billion dollars it needs from Google to survive so Mozilla would also go bankrupt. So the only way Mozilla and Firefox can continue to exist is if we donโt all use Firefox with UblockOrigin. Thatโs the gambit.
โimmibis@social.immibis.com
@aral Mozilla doesn't need to survive for Firefox to survive and be useful. There are already many forks of Firefox by people who think Mozilla already shouldn't have survived.
aral@mastodon.ar.al
@immibis And how many of those forks would be able to maintain their codebase if Mozilla went away tomorrow?
Iโd optimistically put the number at zero.
But donโt worry, Google isnโt going anywhere so neither is Mozilla.
immibis@social.immibis.com
@aral OSS, uh, finds a way
OliverUv@mastodon.social
@aral @immibis
Without google or other ad-funded behemoths, web standard churn would be significantly reduced (and probably redirected to features people actually want).
Non-moz Firefox could keep up. It would be a slower pace than today, but it would be in a better direction.
digitalRightsNinja@fedi.at
@aral @immibis Those forks often nix Google as a default search engine, but the problem is the forks are far less popular so the masses do not escape the power of defaults. Also note the reason people favor the official version is to get fast security updates. Some of the forks have been shown to take weeks to apply a patch.
zorumeart@mastodon.art
woah this is magnificient ! I love the idea and how you brought it to life. Truly beautiful ๐
zlender02@vivaldi.net
This drawing is amazing!
By the way, is the (fire)fox inspired by TUNIC?
codrusofathens@linuxrocks.online
Phenomenal!
sbrl@fediscience.org
This is an amazing piece of artwork. Firefox in many ways feels like the last bastion before total chrome domination (ref browser engines), and that's such a scary thought.
Google has far too much power now in setting web standards.
Edit: typo
gidja@tech.lgbt
๐โ
fanf42@treehouse.systems
this a marvel of hope. And despair.
Thank you, beautiful
thefuzzyfloof@meow.social
Amazing illustration! Nobody in my real life ever understands why Google's or Meta's internet monopolization is a problem, not even the ones familiar with tech at large.
hyde@lazybear.social
this one is really great ... I mean all of your work is great, but I love that one !
โdavidrevoy
@hyde ๐ Thank you!
gay_ornithischians@sauropods.win
absolute banger
โjerry@matrix.rocks
So good, so good, I love it and it have become the background image on @matrix.rocks
nizarus@mastodon.tn
Against the #DeathStar
teamtuck@mast.teamtuck.xyz
This is AMAZING!!!
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