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Size test with open comic fonts.



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144 comments

link Lykrast   - Reply
lykrast@octodon.social

on like the default timeline zoom it's a lil small have to squint a bit
when I click on the post and it no longer puts the black bars it's good

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@lykrast Thank you. Can I ask your screen resolution and size for later simulation on my side?

link Lykrast   - Reply
lykrast@octodon.social

1920x1080
it's roughly 53.5x30.5 cm

link ScribblersEmporium   - Reply
ScribblersEmporium@mastodon.world

I find #1 Patrick's Hand example easier to read.

Good luck.

link Castaras :v_bi: :v_trans:   - Reply
castaras@tech.lgbt

when i click on the specific post it's readable, and I'd say Pangolin and the text on the comic itself is most readable.

on my timeline without clicking on the post it's a bit hard to see (picture is from the timeline)

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link Lamecarlate   - Reply
lamecarlate@pouet.it

Do you need answers from us or is this a personal test :P ?

link f♯ a♯ ∞   - Reply
tsadiq@rivals.space

i can't and i can at the same time 😬

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@tsadiq Oh thanks for the two screenshots! 👍

What is the client that scale down the square on a 16/9 + gradient on side ?

(and who are the dev who made this atrocity and why they hate comic artists so much? 😺 )

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link f♯ a♯ ∞   - Reply
tsadiq@rivals.space

hmm i think it's just the basic glitchsoc web interface ^^

link Kathy Murdoch :pastille_lemon:   - Reply
kapellosaur@stctp.zone

@tsadiq The glitch-soc fork of Mastodon does this, the server I'm on runs it. It was introduced back when vanilla mastodon was cropping thumbnails to 16:9 rather than showing the whole picture, so it was an improvement then, but a regression now…

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@kapellosaur @tsadiq Ha right. For sure, it is better this way than experience cropping. Thank you for the feedback!

link f♯ a♯ ∞   - Reply
tsadiq@rivals.space

yeah indeed i can change that in the options, not quite sure what i prefer tho 😅
@kapellosaur

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link Jigme Datse   - Reply
jigmedatse@social.jigmedatse.com

@tsadiq Hey, I have to agree, why pillar, or postbox content to get it to the right aspect ratio. I *think* you can set the crop, but I don't usually bother.

link Mayobrot 🇵🇸   - Reply
Mayobrot@zirk.us

I can read all of it clearly, except the greyed out text that describes the fonts.

link maswan   - Reply
maswan@mastodon.acc.sunet.se

I can read it from the mastodon thumbnail, but it is all small enough that I'd like to click in on it for full size in order to not need to spend quite as much cognitive effort in reading.

For differences, not that much. Most difference in the bold part. Kalam is significantly less readable in bold to me.

For the rest I have a very slight preference for Pangolin.

link Vint Prox   - Reply
vintprox@techhub.social

Yes. Sized your comic down to 360px (67% zoom on Mastodon web) and I can still see text legibly.

Liking Kalam over Pangolin any day of the week: it bears no raggedness and cursive looks fancy. If thickness was a priority, I would pick "Patrick hand", though.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@vintprox Thank you! Yes, Kalam has more personality. You are right: maybe a little bit thicker would only help. I'll try to see if I can fork it and automatize a slight offset outside to get it thicker with Fontforge.

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link Jared White   - Reply
jaredwhite@indieweb.social

@vintprox Kalam but a little thicker would look dope!

link James B.   - Reply
DrJLecter@queer.party

I think the Pangolin is the most comfortable for me to read, but all three are good! I don't have to zoom in and can easily read everything

link 翠星石   - Reply
Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com

I can in bloatFE, although I generally prefer to zoom in for reading.

link Elvith Ma'for   - Reply
elvith@nerdculture.de

I'm using the app Tusky. In the feed, 1 and 2 are nicely readable, 3 is ok-ish, but not that good.

When I view the post, the image gets rendered a bit bigger. 3 is then a little bit better, but it still has worse readability than the first two.

When I then open the image, all 3 fonts are readable. Since the image becomes more clear on opening, I suspect that the scaling slightly blurs the image in the timeline/post view, which degrades the readability more for 3 than for the others

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@elvith Thank you for the feedback! I like Kalam personnality (the 3rd), but it's true the two other are easier to read and Pangolin (2nd) is even more compact.

For sure, I'll can't use them ready-made and I'll have to fork to adapt them a bit.

link Adam Honse   - Reply
CalcProgrammer1@mastodon.social

I can easily read all the fonts on my phone running mobile Firefox with the web interface. No zooming required.

link mkj   - Reply
mkj@social.mkj.earth

I find everything black on white in that image except for the éàÉÀæî (which is likely only because that's nonsensical 🙂) to be very readable font-wise without any zooming in, but the only font where I can *clearly* tell the difference between bold and not-bold is Kalam. With both Patrick hand and Pangolin the difference in font weight is too small for the distinction to be obvious enough that I don't have to expend cognitive effort on deciding whether the text *is* bold or not.

link Len   - Reply
len@nyan.network

Oooh, interesting. I think this font comparison has made me realise that slanting capital letters slightly helps me read all-caps font better. Kalam is much easier to read than either of the others. The clear difference between bold and light helps, as well. So does the use of both rounded and sharp forms and some serifs.

(I'm lightly dyslexic, I think? 100% dyscalculic, issues with letters mostly occurs if everything is all-caps. Very difficult to parse and keep my place.)

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@len I experience the same ( ‘-’)人(゚_゚ ) (slightly dyslexia and also dysgraphia here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraph , diagnosed when I was a kid)

link Len   - Reply
len@nyan.network

Hmm was trying to figure out what comics I read as a kid that had all-caps fonts, but checking back it actually looks like none of them used all-caps at all.

But I know with more modern comics the slight slant helps if they've decided to go for all-caps. More serif the better. There's also hand-inked ones I've seen that keep it all-caps and not much slanted or serif but have varied weight in each letter which also keeps it readable (the other two here have the same weight all throughout each letter which makes everything that much harder to parse) - comic I was thinking of that does this is In Security.

link 🚲   - Reply
xarvos@outerheaven.club

on akkoma FE, it looks slightly smaller and harder to read than mastodon because there’s a image height here is smaller than on mastodon i guess? i can read them, but i would be more comfortable opening the image. the lowercase letters are also hard to read as is, even though the size is probably comparable to the post font size.

as for the original size and the full width size for phone, they’re big enough, bigger than the font size i have for text, so it’s alright

link 🚲   - Reply
xarvos@outerheaven.club

oh i should add that the preview is very small on mobile

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@xarvos Thank you for the screenshot! Indeed, I can imagine with this layout. It looks very small. What Fediverse client is it?

link Ivy   - Reply
ivy@labyrinth.zone

@xarvos

looks like the mobile akkoma web UI :neocat_happy:

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@ivy @xarvos Thanks! TIL about Akkoma. Cool. It's not the first client I see in my feedback who takes 16:9 format as a standard and downscale all format into it.
On the good news, I don't see many feedback about client who are 'cropping to 16:9' anymore.
So, with this type of client, if you follow a webcomic, you always have to click to view page? You can't just read them in your TL, right?

link 🚲   - Reply
xarvos@outerheaven.club

@ivy yea, usually. though on computer i can read with your font size (screenshot below), it’s still more comfortable for me to open the image

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link Ivy   - Reply
ivy@labyrinth.zone

@xarvos

yup, have to click the image to open it bigger on akkoma's mobile webui :neocat_happy_blep: (although ivy can make out the first font there on it without leaving the timeline, but of course, some others may think differently)

link 🚲   - Reply
xarvos@outerheaven.club

this is akkoma web (mobile)

link 🦇 thomas :flag_bisexual:   - Reply
babakounine@eldritch.cafe

And that's what tesseract finds in the image (I'm thinking it could be useful to help with alt text):

U THIS IS A FONT TEST, 3 CAN YOU READ THIS TEXT
AND I'M A SPEAKING DIRECTLY ON YOUR SCREEN
POTION. | WITHOUT 200MING IN?

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@babakounine Thanks for testing it with github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesse , computer OCR readability is an aspect I haven't thought.

Interesting how the ZOOMING is interpreted 200MING for Kalam.

I'll check my future test with it.

link Arne Babenhauserheide   - Reply
ArneBab@rollenspiel.social

Yes, I can read this text, but I have a hard time deciding what’s better. Kalam most interesting, but harder to read, Patrick a bit dense, Pangolin least interesting, somewhat static …

I recently did something similar with LaTeX fonts, and it’s just damn hard: draketo.de/anderes/latex-fonts

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@ArneBab Thank you! I feel like I should fork Kalam and make it a tiny bit thicker because I agree: this one has the most charm but its readability is not optimized. I probably also should bake the idea line-height as 100% to save time using it if I fork it.
Oh yes, fonts are hard, and changing it later in the project is almost impossible, so I try to prepare well this part ahead.

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link Arne Babenhauserheide   - Reply
ArneBab@rollenspiel.social

forking Kalam sounds like a lot of work, too. I once added a few letters (äöüß) to a font I loved and even that took ages — though it just meant copying together stuff from other letters and tweaking it a bit.

Getting all that to fit together well seems like an art form.

Though, well, art *is* what you’re doing.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@ArneBab 😺 After the work I did on Lavi (the base one for Pepper&Carrot) I'm not afraid of anything with font-forge! 😆 (missing accents, Latin extended, etc)

link toffee the cat 🌸   - Reply
toffy@raru.re

1 is the easiest to read, I had to open the image and zoom for the fonts in the bubbles, but not for font examples 1 and 2..! and I think 1 looks really cute!

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@toffy Thank you for the feedback. My ideal would be a blend of (1) for readability and (3) for the charm and personality. I'm still not sure if I should fork Patrick Hand (1) or Kalam (3) as a starting point.

What do you think in 3 is the most difficult to read?
- the character spacing?
- the slight italic?
- the font weight (to thin)?
- A mix of all of this?

link toffee the cat 🌸   - Reply
toffy@raru.re

I think what makes it difficult is the italic, and something I don't think has been mentioned yet: many of the lines that make up letters overextend a lot, like in the middle line in the "A" and "H", which adds noise and makes it harder to read fast. Some of the letters are hard to parse at a smaller res too, like the "W" is especially difficult where it wraps back on itself

3 has more personality but is definitely less readable, and that's my best guess as to why!! It might not be right aha, it's more stylish but just way more noisy and less standard

I'd love the shape-correctness of 1 with a hint of the style in 3 while maintaining a familiar shape ahah

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@toffy Thank you very much. It helps me to collect feedback and get a larger overview and hints on where to improve these fonts.

link Jacob Scharmberg   - Reply
jacobscharmberg@mastodon.online

can read everything fine on my phone with vanilla mastodon client. Disclaimer: I have quite good eyes.

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@jacobscharmberg Thank you for the feedback and the screenshot :blobaww:

link Ela   - Reply
andreasdotorg@infosec.exchange

Patrick hand is the most readable, Kalam is the cutest.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@andreasdotorg Perfect! I had the same conclusion. If only I could find a way to merge the best of the two :blobowoevil:

link 🌈☔🌦️🍄 gpn-dect: 3600   - Reply
wmd@chaos.social


Oops, that's tusky. This is fedilab.

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link Breizh   - Reply
breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

Personnellement à ce niveau de flou j’essaye même pas de lire sinon je chiale. Mais en taille réelle, c’est parfaitement lisible dans les trois cas. Peut-être mettre des petites images pour être sûr que ça ne réduise quasiment jamais le contenu (je suppose que sur téléphone ou autres cas ça réduira forcément à un moment ou un autre) ?

Ou alors juste ignorer le rendu de l’aperçu parce que de toute façon ça dépends du client, des paramètres de l’instance et de ceux de l’utilisateur ? x)

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@breizh Ha oui, alors d'après les retours que je collecte déjà, les clients qui réduisent l'image à une cage de 16/9 ne sont plus légions, mais ici, c'est clairement le cas. C'est quel client?

C'est sûr que je pensais aussi au morcèlement de chaque case en image différente et utiliser la possibilité d'attacher quatre images par post max pour ça.

Mais les clients retaillent les miniatures à 16/9 et rien n'assure que les cases seront dans l'ordre en fonction des clients...

link Breizh   - Reply
breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

Par défaut c’est rogné en plus.

C’est juste l’interface web de base de Pleroma.

Et quand il y a plusieurs images c’est mis en ligne (alors que certains clients font un carré il me semble).

Et si les images ont des ratios différents, ça va « optimiser » en laissant plus de largeur à l’image la plus large (une fois ramené à hauteur égale).

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@breizh Ha ouais, donc pour suivre des photographes, des illustrateurs ou des webcomics c'est un clic pour ouvrir le média systématique. Ok.

Merci pour les copies d'écrans, c'est très utile : je me rends compte qu'il n'y a vraiment aucune règle universelle en termes d’image.

Je suis bien tenté par contre de tester du 16/9 portrait x 4, pour profiter du full-screen des appareils mobiles. Si j'ai la motiv, je ferai un test.

link Breizh   - Reply
breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

D’un côté perso ça me dérange pas trop le clic, parce que bon ma timeline est déjà bien remplie, si toutes les images étaient en grand format ce serait l’enfer.

Surtout que même si c’était pas aussi « réduit », bah ça serait quand même loin du plein écran.

link sarah 🦦   - Reply
SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt

1st and 2nd are easier to read than 3rd imo

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@SRAZKVT Thank you for the feedback! 👍

Do you think it's because of the font-weight? the character spacing? or maybe it's the slight italic of Kalam who is distractive?

link sarah 🦦   - Reply
SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt

mix of italic and font weight, character spacing is fine

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@SRAZKVT Thanks!

link André-LA 🎀 gamedev   - Reply
Andre_LA@mastodon.gamedev.place

Yes, on mobile, with a 1 meter of distance (it's my limit, far than that I can't read anymore).

However, it's increasingly difficult for each font in the image, the balloons are easy, Patric was ok, Pangolin was tricky, Kalam was hard.

link Totally Normal Adult Human   - Reply
dracoling@firetribe.org

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org I found Pangolin to be the most comfortable to read, but all are quite legible here. Tried it on a few different clients for comparison.

No alt text on images as they're screenshots of the previous post taken with my Android phone using various fediverse software (Moshidon, Sharkey's default PWA, Milktea, and Pixelfed).

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@dracoling Oh 😍 ! Thank you for all the screenshot, and I'm positively surprised to see 3 on 4 app who dsplay the square fully. Precious.

Also TIL about Moshidon, Sharkey's default PWA and Milktea. Good to read so many clients exists.

link 1or11   - Reply
1or11@sakurajima.social

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Readable on Firefox and Kaiteki (clearer on screen than the screenshot suggests). All three options are legible, license is the only part that I needed to actively focus to read. Did not need to zoom or open the image separately at any point.

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@1or11 Perfect! Thank you for the screenshots!

For the license, it's ok. this is typically the type of info one should pinch&zoom or 'click to enlarge' to read.

link Steffo :junimo_blue:   - Reply
steffo@junimo.party

Not much useful feedback here, sorry: I can read all three with no problems without zooming in! :neocat_thumbsup:

If I was forced to choose between those three... I think I'd go with the first one? I like the slanted letters a tiny bit less than the straight ones... :neocat_smol:

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@steffo Thank you for the feedback. It looks like Patrick Hand (1) champion the readability from the all feedback I receive.

I now wonder if it will be possible to fork Patrick Hand and add a little charm to it. Because that's something I like in Kalam: it has a personality and a stronger identity while PatrickHand is a bit more stereotypical. Maybe I'll improve them to get the best of each.

link Brie Mmm   - Reply
brie@venera.social

@steffo Hm, I can read all three, but Patrick Hand would be last on my list, because of:
- M being so close to H
- in my language (Polish), Ƶ is a different letter and sound than Z.

link Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤   - Reply
efi@chitter.xyz

these fonts are real good :o
the size is good on my regular screen

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@efi Thank you Efi. I started with a list of 8 ! Yes, these three one with the correct line-height are really not that bad.

With the amount of feedback I already have, I see Patrick Hand is championing the readibility, and Kalam has charm. Pangolin is rarely mentioned. So, I'll probably work on getting the best of (1) and (3). :blobcat:

link Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤   - Reply
efi@chitter.xyz

I agree that Patrick Hand is the more readable one, but it's a tough choice =3

link F4m3   - Reply
F4m3@rollenspiel.social


Totally fine on tusky

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@F4m3 Oh nice! Thank you for the screenshot and for testing. Good to see many clients who don't crop the square pictures to 16/9 nowadays.

link Kinky Kobolds   - Reply
KinkyKobolds@meow.social


Yes, I can read that on my phone as easily as anything else on Mastodon.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@KinkyKobolds Great! Thank you for the feedback! Are you using the Mastodon app or another client?

link Kinky Kobolds   - Reply
KinkyKobolds@meow.social

I'm using FediLab on a Pixel 8 Pro. The image automatically fills the screen when tapped, but I didn't need any additional zoom.

On desktop, I found it very easy to read once I clicked it to full screen. It's actually refreshingly easy to read.

link A Sweet Gentleman   - Reply
samfromtheus@tech.lgbt

In my timeline, screen def 1920x1080 I'd say Pangolin's the most readable.
Patrick hand looks bigger but the letters (and I do mean the individual letters, not the words) seem a bit too cramped, not enough space between them.
Definitely not Kalam.

link wb x64   - Reply
wilbr@glitch.social

Kalam is the least readable (with one blurry pre-coffee eye without clicking the image to expand beyond its preview)

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@wilbr Thank you! And that's perfect condition to do the beta testing of the font. Comic should be all pre-coffee certified 😺

link wb x64   - Reply
wilbr@glitch.social

it's ever so slightly thinner and then displays are gridlike so italics are just hard.

Somehow I can read the word balloons easier than the sample text?

link SQLAllFather   - Reply
SQLAllFather@techhub.social

Sample one: Excellent
Sample two: Ok
Sample three: Difficult

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@SQLAllFather 👍 Thank you for the feedback! It looks like Patrick Hand (1) is really doing the consensus among all the feedback I received so far. I find it lack a little bit of charm and originality. But maybe that's something I can spice on the top if I fork it.🙂

link SQLAllFather   - Reply
SQLAllFather@techhub.social

For me it's the clear winner for legibility. Neither charm nor originality are things I look for in a font as a reader, so I can't comment to that aspect.

link Clara, CEC arc 🍉💕🌈   - Reply
Pandora@eldritch.cafe

Pangolin looks better on my smartphone, but it's more a matter of letter spacing than anything else.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@Pandora Thank you for your feedback. I had the same feeling, but it's not really shared in my feedback. For PatrickHand (1) the FONTS has the F that touches the O almost while on Pangolin I find the letter spacing and integrity better respected.

link Clara, CEC arc 🍉💕🌈   - Reply
Pandora@eldritch.cafe

indeed

By the way, you skipped the "Quick" brown fox, so there is no Q to test ;-)

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@Pandora :neko_nyaan: Oh no, and well spotted and my mistake for quickly writing the sentence on the top of my head. I have to remember this brown fox is quick :)

link Le Gnou   - Reply
Wildebeest@mastodon.social


👀

©David Revoy 😁

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link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@Wildebeest 🤣 🤣 🤣
What a test, huh? 😺

link Le Gnou   - Reply
Wildebeest@mastodon.social


😅

link Felix Urbasik   - Reply
fell@ma.fellr.net

Yes, yes I can.

link BiggestBulb 💡🏳️‍🌈🧑‍💻   - Reply
BiggestBulb@mstdn.social

I can read all of the text, but Pangolin is the easiest (reading it from a Google Pixel 6 Pro)

I'm not a fan of the italics in the text bubbles, though, since that font is already slanted. It makes it a little difficult for my brain to process

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@BiggestBulb Thank you for the feedback!

link BiggestBulb 💡🏳️‍🌈🧑‍💻   - Reply
BiggestBulb@mstdn.social

of course! I love the comics! 😊

link worr   - Reply
worr@mastodont.cat

They're conveniently already ordered by readability for me 😄 The first reads easiest, although the diacritics are harder in the thumbnail.

The third one is extra hard, I couldn't read "WOW" at first. The diacritics in the third are also impossible to distinguish without zooming in.

link bri   - Reply
brhfl@digipres.club

the letter spacing on karam as it’s presented makes it quite difficult to read, imo, but otherwise all seems legible

link Space Catitude 🚀   - Reply
TerryHancock@realsocial.life

For me, this "15pt" text is about the same size as the browser font in Firefox, or just slightly larger, when I am look at this post in the Mastodon web app.

When I click on the image to show it at full size, the text is quite large and very readable.

Of course, my desktop screen is pretty large, but also 4K. In the post, the image is about 20x20 cm, when I click on it, it expands to about 35x35 cm.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@TerryHancock Thanks for the feedback and the size in cm, very cool to get a general idea of how different and not standardized all viewing condition are. 👍

link Charles Pence   - Reply
pence@scholar.social

2 might be the most readable for me, but 1 is only barely behind it and 1 seems to me to have much more hand drawn personality.

link Bruce Heerssen   - Reply
bruce@darkmoon.social


Looks good in Tusky on a Samsung Galaxy S22

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link 13 barn owls in a trench coat   - Reply
HauntedOwlbear@eldritch.cafe

I can read that text, and option one is the most comfortable font to read by far.

link Space Catitude 🚀   - Reply
TerryHancock@realsocial.life


In Fedilab on my smartphone (screen 6x11cm), the text is just a little smaller than the default text, but still quite readable (all fonts).

Tapping the image, the font is then about the same as the font size in the app.

FWIW, I like "Kalam" (seems to be what's in the speech bubbles at the top?). It's a friendly, comicbook font look. Pangolin is slightly more readable, but I find it slightly off-putting (more obviously typeset).

Letter forms in 'Patrick hand' bug me: "M", "Z".

link Nina Kalinina   - Reply
nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

I can read all of those options, but I think option 2 is the most readable, and option 3 is the least readable.

link Shiitake Toast-rev(Centaur)   - Reply
ShiitakeToast@beige.party

PH and Pangolin are about the same, but the diacritical marks are better in PH.

link Garonenur   - Reply
Garonenur@rollenspiel.social

on a pixel 6a I can read the image text without problems,
In the text below I like the 18pt more, but my eyesight gets worse after looking at a screen with code all day.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@Garonenur Thank you for sharing your feedback. The 18px one is indeed PatrickHand, and it received the largest amount of positive feedback. I'll move on this one, and tweak it a bit. I can't wait to share a next test 😊

link dasgrueneblatt   - Reply
dasgrueneblatt@wien.rocks

Tusky here. I can read everything directly in the feed, and even better when I open the post, where it's a bit bigger. I don't have to open the image. I like the first one best. 🤷

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@dasgrueneblatt Thank you for the feedback. Yes, PatrickHand, the first received a lot of positive feedback. I'll pick it and tweak it a bit to season it to my taste.

link Packbats of many projects ΘΔ&   - Reply
Packbat@indiepocalypse.social

Tusky on a cheap Android phone here, and it's very clear and easy to read for me.

link Catherine Rowan Jones/Ivy Fox   - Reply
HederaVulpes@expressional.social


Yes to image text, Patrick hand, and Pangolin. Kalam is not so good.

link Curmudgeon   - Reply
jetton@mastodon.online

I find the third one to be the most difficult to read, mostly because of being thinner. Both of the others are clear, and personally I prefer the first.
But this is in multicolumn view where the width is 6.7cm. If I open in a single column, all are quite readable at 13 cm width.
iMac 2560 x 1440 x old guy with early macular degeneration.

BUT I am most concerned about the Brown Fox. They are no longer Quick?
I guess age comes for all of us.

link AxelStieglbauer   - Reply
AxelStieglbauer@social.tchncs.de


Strange: I can read the font in the comic (Kalam) quite well and I like it, but in comparison with the other fonts Patrick hand is readable best. Perhaps I'm too used to "regular sans" fonts.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@AxelStieglbauer Thank you for the feedback! yes, I think I'll have to pick the best attribute here and there, probably building on the top of Patrick Hand(1), I start to have feedback this one is the easier to read (many scaling, screen size, jpg compression of various Fediverse clients, this is a cool indicator that author of PatrickHand made something effective.

link Mat   - Reply
allpurposemat@mastodon.gamedev.place

unsure if you're asking for feedback, but Patrick Hand is the most readable for me (attached image from #Tusky).

🖼️ original 

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@allpurposemat Thank you for the feedback and the screenshot; it's especially precious for me to see the rounded corners and the overlay of icons (the eyes/Alt position), this way I'll build safe guidelines on where to statistically not put important elements or future texts.👍

link Sparrows   - Reply
sparrows@calamity.world

I can easily read anything on the page except for the font information in the lower contrast colors.

link trillytrill   - Reply
trillytrill@pixelfed.art

It's pretty legible on my mid cellphone. 👍

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@trillytrill Thank you for your feedback! 👍

link Norihiori   - Reply
norihiori@mastodon.social

For me, the Kalam is a little bit hard to read. But this is probably due to my dyslexia 😅

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@norihiori Thank you for the feedback! Also, it's rare Kalam got supporters in the replies of this test, it feels problematic at multiple levels (even one technical with the slight italic built-in of the font making antialiasing issues when reduced at low size with heavy JPG compression.). PatrickHand got a larger consensus.

link Jigme Datse   - Reply
jigmedatse@social.jigmedatse.com

Kalam, I have trouble reading in the thumbnail. Pangolin isn't too bad, Patrick hand is better than almost any fonts in a thumbnail. I hope the names I typed are correct.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@jigmedatse The names are correct! And don't worry, even if you wrote them as kolim, Pingolan and PitrookHound 😆 I would have guessed about what the font were. Thank you for the feedback, what you experienced and reported is aligned to many observations I receive and I'll move forward to the next step; forking PatrickHand (it received a large consensus) and improve the font a bit (I dislike the Z, some kerning, and some letters could get a bit more charm or customisation). 😊

link Jigme Datse   - Reply
jigmedatse@social.jigmedatse.com

Good to hear.

link albi   - Reply
albi@pixelfed.eu

all are readable just fine on my 3" phone without zooming
Kazam is slightly harder to read, especially in bold

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@albi Thank you for testing it and the size of the device. Yes, Kalam (3) with problematic to many. It definitely changed my mind about it, because in my tests, that was the one I selected (see the little green checkmark). Now I know I must probably fork PatrickHand (1) and fix some things in it: kerning of letters too near to each other, weird Z, lack of personality in general. I'll keep posting about my progress.

link Marco Bresciani   - Reply
AAMfP@fosstodon.org


Can read, with my reading glasses... but that's my eyes problem, not the size of the font. 🤷🏻‍♂️

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@AAMfP 🧐 🙂 Thank you for the feedback!

link 月の兎 :moonrabbit: 🌕   - Reply
amoonrabbit@mk.udongein.reisen

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Whilst Patrick Hand is the most readable, you lose the emphasised wording compared to Pangolin and Kalam. I prefer Pangolin for that reason. Perhaps if there was something that fit between PH and P just so readability, and emphasis's aren't lost

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@amoonrabbit Oh, thank you for finding that and reporting it (the bold/emphasis). Indeed, that's something I need to fix on my future fork of PatrickHand (it got a lot of positive feedback so better to start with this base material for my fork). True, the emphasis is not dramatic or contrasted enough (probably a side effect of using the font in full caps). It's barely readable the 'Brown fox' is bold.

link Lord Tacitus 🇮🇪 :dnd: 🎮   - Reply
lord_tacitus@mastodon.social

That's a funny thing to ask a talking potion.

Honestly though it's perfectly legible on my phone using fedilab.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@lord_tacitus Thank you for the feedback! Yes, Fedilab and Tusky reported to be of very good quality on my replies about displaying the attached square picture large enough in the TL and without cropping them or showing it as a 16:9 thumbnail. It's cool for posting webcomics!

link Vincent Cantin   - Reply
greenCoder@functional.cafe

The kalam font makes it a bit harder to see the italic style, as it is already not straight by default.

link Tirifto :korektu_min:   - Reply
tirifto@jam.xwx.moe

I could read the text on my laptop without zooming in. :taneŝima_gesto_bone: (But I still prefer viewing images at full size, since that’s just prettier and much more comfortable.) :gutkato_kontenta:

Out of the fonts showcased at the bottom, I find Pangolin the most legible. Out of the other two fonts, the left sample is more legible with Patrick hand, while the right sample is more legible with Kalam. :gutkato_pensas:

🖼️ original 

link Sivarion Anantornel   - Reply
Sivar@pixelfed.social

Everything is clear and readable. I've found Pangolin option to be most visually pleasable, but I don't think I would spot the difference (or care about it) in actual comic.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@Sivar Thank you for the feedback!

link loaExMachina   - Reply
loaExMachina@jorts.horse


Je peux tous les lire facilement, mais je trouve Kalam légèrement moins lisible. Ça va pour des textes de cette taille, mais ça pourrait se compliquer si tu écrivais des pavés !

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@loaExMachina Merci pour le retour ! Ha oui les pavés, c'est problématique. Hier, j'ai déterminé dans des tests que les bulles de 130 caractères prenaient 1/2 de la case. Va falloir que je reste concis en écriture de dialogues.

link Nuxttux Creative Studio   - Reply
nuxttux@mastodon.social

I was able to read the text without zooming in (Kalam). I can read the Pangolin more easily, especially the "special" characters.

link Hisham   - Reply
hisham_hm@mastodon.social

I could read all of them without zooming, but I'm on a Galaxy S22 Ultra...

I like the Patrick font the best, it's the only one of the three that looks to me like "comics lettering" and not "computer font doing comics lettering" (in particular it reminded me of the lettering from Garfield strips). I think what makes the other two look more computery is the kerning in the second one and the excessive letter-spacing in the third one.

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@hisham_hm Thank you, I just posted a new version: I started a fork on the top of PatrickHand, it was really the one receiving the most attention.

link Marius Piedallu van Wyk   - Reply
marius@e.co.za

fonts are my kryptonite… you monster!

link David Revoy Author, - Reply
davidrevoy

@marius haha, same here. And the last two days I spent on Fontforge were really horrific. :blob_sweat:

link Rachel Rawlings   - Reply
LinuxAndYarn@mastodon.social

On my phone, Kalam is easily readable in the dialogue bubbles, but in the sample list is harder than Patrick Hand.

link Chancerubbage   - Reply
Chancerubbage@mastodon.social

@Hugo

On my phone not zoomed in found ‘Patrick Hand’ the most readable.

link Chancerubbage   - Reply
Chancerubbage@mastodon.social

Leading makes a difference, as does spacing The ballon’s are light and airy

The examples are all too cramped despite some fonts having better legibility.

There are other readability issues with the illustration staging and background for a hand held phone screen.


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