Kicking Erwin Schrödinger out of my idols.
Not because he chose a cat for his thought experiment, but because of one thing I learnt: he sexually abused children and kept a diary about it. 🤮 Src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Sexual_abuse
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camedei456@shitposter.club
Wait until you hear about John Money. At least Erwin hadn't driven two kids to minecraft themselves in adulthood.
maltimore@social.tchncs.de
what an absolute shame!
globcoco@mamot.fr
What?
F... 🤮
How did you learn it?
★davidrevoy
@globcoco I learnt it thanks to a post (in French) by @etcetera@c.im
25 ★https://framapiaf.org/deck/@etcetera@c.im/111470362386014100 , I then told them in PM about my intention to relay the info not as a boost, but with a cartoon. The reason: I had a scenario for a future episode in draft with a big reference to Schrödinger's cat experiment. I immediately put it to trash without regret.
globcoco@mamot.fr
@etcetera
I really love your ethic David.
(J'irais le lire).
★globcoco@mamot.fr
@etcetera
C'est effectivement à vomir !
On l'a jamais inculpé ?
laurenstrobat@pouet.chapril.org
@globcoco @etcetera
En même temps, Matzneff s'est, pendant des années, fait publiquement une gloire de coucher avec des très très jeunes filles et ça passait comme une lettre à la poste dans l'indifférence générale.
globcoco@mamot.fr
@laurenstrobat @etcetera
😡🤬🤮
Ray_Of_Sunlight@mastodon.social
Gosh 🤢
tomtoom@pouet.chapril.org
l'article en français, ne semble pas y faire référence.
davidrevoy
@tomtoom Oui, mais je vois quelqu'un⋅e sur la tâche depuis 18h57 https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger&action=history , et un gros merci pour ça si iel nous lit 💜.
5 ★lutzray@mamot.fr
eh, thanks for ruining my otherwise perfect Sunday 😕
Geez, this passage from Wikipedia is disgusting:
he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius"
psicking@mastodon.social
@lutzray the citation in the German Wikipedia article is longer and even more disgusting...
davidrevoy
@lutzray Yes, disguting. I learnt it yesterday and then I couldn't believe most of the biography I read or portrait on video put that big part of his life to silence. Even the French Wikipedia page doesn't mention it ...
Btw, sorry for the bad 'sunday timing'. I couldn't hold this info I learnt yesterday evening, I had to make a a drawing about it to reflect about it. Schrödinger cat box is so pop culture. I saw it on so many meme...
14 ★lutzray@mamot.fr
it's just one more name on the list of famous physicists who didn't know what to do with their dick...
https://www.natgeotv.com/za/special/genius-albert-einsteins-theory-of-infidelity
https://thebaffler.com/outbursts/surely-youre-a-creep-mr-feynman-mcneill
Does celebrity induce sexual predatory behaviours? And is it specifically 'male'? (I doubt it).
Sadly, I won't ever know the answer 😏 I'm too old to become famous.
★jlroberson@mastodon.social
@lutzray And even so, could have been even worse.
Could have been (shudder) Schrodinger
Yeez
denki@mastodontech.de
@lutzray
I would not consider sexual relationships between consenting adults (as in Einstein's case) predatory.
If another partner assumes exclusivity of the sexual relationship, this is still morally questionable, but not "sexual predatory behaviour".
★RGBes@mastodon.social
Celebrate ideas, never people: people tend to have many bad ideas beyond the few good ones for which they have become famous. Schrödinger is a good example of that: he was a horrible person.
mlohbihler@techhub.social
@RGBes yep. Picasso: full on dickdace
eest9@chaos.social
Oof, this makes being named after him a rather grim topic from now on :c
:ReplyNo:
[Edited because I got too many replies]
davidrevoy
@eest9 Oh no, I'm sorry for you. 😔
I don't think that information was publicly available until quite recently. I watch a lot of science videos and I've never heard of this.
A friend recently told me something about this kind of thing: when a band, a personality, a character has this thing, it's a new death for them. You were named when the clean and brilliant reputation was still alive and only info available. I hope you'll be able to keep the positive aspect of this name.
10 ★eest9@chaos.social
I hope so. I'll probably tell the origin story of my name far less in the future and exclusively with a note in regard to this.
Yes, it looks like the oldest mention is a biography from 1990, and it wasn't widely recognized until 2021, when more information about it came public?
★davidrevoy
@eest9 I don't know. Pages like the French one on Wikipedia doesn't even mention it...
[edit: Someone added the info to the FR wikipedia page 10min ago, thanks! https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger&action=history 👍 ]
6 ★pablor@mastodon.social
@eest9 Well, you can always go with Rommel.
😏
eest9@chaos.social
@pablor I indeed share the same first name with him, but fortunately I wasn't named after him.
pablor@mastodon.social
@eest9 Just kidding, of course. You can always do like American Southern lawyers and call yourself E. Ernst.
alxlg@mastodon.social
@eest9
If it can help:
*Erwin* Chargaff was the one who made the most important contributions to the discovery of DNA (coincidentally, confirming Schrödinger's hypotesis that the genetic information must be stored as an aperiodic crystal). Chargaff was overshadowed by Watson, Crick and others because he was very cautious about genetics, he compared genetic engineering to nuclear physics and the atomic bomb: we shouldn't mess with Nature at its very hearth.
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alxlg@mastodon.social
@eest9
A great scientist with strong ethics. Still today, most of his books are only available in German, just to stress how much he was boycotted, compared to the glorified Watson and Crick.
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eest9@chaos.social
@alxlg Doesn't really help since I'm not named after Erwin Chargaff 😅 But it's good to know, that there are still probably good Erwins out there 😂
kristenrapp@mastodon.social
@eest9 @alxlg why not tell people you were named for Steve Irwin? if anyone points out it's a different spelling, just look horrified and tell them you need to leave to call your parents immediately
📎 d38e6c8b9e3b29ca.mp4alienghic@octodon.social
eeewwww
PierreC@eldritch.cafe
Aglups 😱
pepper1700@hachyderm.io
C'est répugnant. Et le pire c'est que je suis certain qu'une vaste partie de l'humanité n'en a rien a foutre. :blobfoxdeadinside:
★davidrevoy
@pepper1700 Oh oui. Le gars est décédé en 1961, et ça refait surface dans sa bio Wikipedia (en Anglais, toujours pas en Français d'ailleurs) seulement récemment. Comme si les infos était sortie du néant après 2021. Il y a du avoir de longs silences pour protéger un héritage de réputation et de grand homme de science... Dégoutant.
4 ★yuki2501@hackers.town
Aw hell :blobnotlike:
★elzen@fadrienn.irlnc.org
Bon, je note d'ajouter une remarque ou une note de bas de page là-dessus quand je m'occuperai de retravailler le chapitre de mon 2e bouquin de vulga où j'explique ce que c'est que cette histoire de chat ><
Merci de l'info !
davidrevoy
@elzen Coucou. Ha oui, utile. Mais je ne pense pas que je tiendrai rigueur à quiquonque d'être élogieux avec l'homme comme ces infos sont encore (et c'est surprenant alors qu'il est mort en 1961) très fraîche. Peut-être dans cinq ans d'ici là si ça ce sait plus, ça sera un peu plus problématique d''être élogieux.
★Ici, j'avais un scénario en cours très "Schrödinger-centric" avec Pepper qui demandais à Carrot d'inviter ses potes pour faire une expérience avec boites, potion et marteau. Poubelle.
elzen@fadrienn.irlnc.org
Dommage pour le scénario, ça aurait probablement été très fun, mais ça se comprend, oui…
De mon côté je parle surtout du chat parce que c'est difficilement contournable dans un chapitre sur la physique quantique, mais je ne m'étais jamais intéressé au bonhomme lui-même. Ben je crois que je ne le ferai pas tellement plus, du coup…
(D'ailleurs, pour la petite histoire, il n'est même pas le premier à avoir proposé cette expérience de pensée, Einstein avait publié presque la même un peu plus tôt, mais avec un baril de poudre qui explose ou pas à la place du chat, donc c'était moins vendeur.) ★
carlschwan@floss.social
🤮 I will put him in my list of famous child abusers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petitions_against_age_of_consent_laws#Signatories_to_the_January_petition
davidrevoy
@carlschwan Thanks for maintaining this Wiki page, difficult topic. 👍
3 ★carlschwan@floss.social
I'm not maintaining it, it's just a list of famous french intellectuals who signed a petition against the age of consent and many of them were involved in child grooming :(
★davidrevoy
@carlschwan Oh no...
★hinindil@paravielfalt.zone
@carlschwan Actually, the man was dead (died 4 January 1961) back then when this pamphlet was written (1977). So, putting him on this list would not be correct.
Christo@mastodonapp.uk
Always best not to have idols
davidrevoy
@Christo I know... But I always had this bias to old scientifics, you know: Isaac Newton, Paul Dirac, Edwin Hubble, Albert Einstein, etc... For me this one was a solid 'part of the band' of my group of persons I liked to read biography, see video about their accomplishement and all. His 'Schrödinger's cat' is so pop-culture now. I laughted at so many meme.
4 ★I grief I'll not enjoy all of this in the same way now.
SteveClough@metalhead.club
I should point out that my username is mainly a reference to the famous thought experiment.
I am not ignoring or condoning his abuse.
isagalaev@mastodon.social
man, this is dark :-(
LamSon@ludosphere.fr
FYI, there is also a lecture room named after him in ENS Lyon. I've heard rumours that renaming was underway. At least people are advised to call it "the main physics lecture hall" in order to avoid the now infamous name.
★juliensalort@physfluids.fr
@LamSon it is now named “Amphi Physique-Chimie”. It’s been renamed some time ago now. There was a discussion whether we should find another physicist name, but the consensus was against it and favored just “Physique-Chimie”.
★davidrevoy
@juliensalort @LamSon 👍
codrusofathens@linuxrocks.online
A much better quantum physicist is Werner Heisenberg, who, unlike Schrödinger, was a devout Evangelical Lutheran. Maybe put Heisenberg in his place?
johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz
@codrusofathens -
Heisenberg led the Nazi effort to develop a nuclear weapon... but on the bright side, he didn't succeed:
https://physicsworld.com/a/werner-heisenberg-controversial-scientist/
pgeorgi@hessen.social
The Wikipedia page refers to https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000132657725/erwin-schroedinger-missbrauchstaeter-undoder-rufmordopfer, which claims that the targets of his (let's call it) affection were of age (except for one, when he was 11-13 years old himself), with the accusations "rounding down" their ages quite liberally.
Maybe it's that uncertainty why that aspect of his life isn't well discussed...
stemy@mstdn.social
La liste des personnalités adulées qui s'étaient comportés comme des crevards est affreusement longue. Je crois qu'on devrait séparer l'artiste de son oeuvre, parce que si on se met à jeter les réalisations de toutes personnes qui ont été unsafe, ça risque d'être une hécatombe.
davidrevoy
@stemy Tu as raison. Reste cependant le dégout qui donne moins envie de citer sous forme de pop-culture humoristique l'expérience du chat Schrödinger; un projet que j'avais pour les prochains épisode de Pepper&Carrot mais qui va être réecrit pour le coup car j'ai plus la motiv de faire des éloges indirectement au bonhomme après ça.
★breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm
@stemy C’est vrai que ce genre de sujet est délicat, je trouve. Si le type est effectivement dégoûtant, l’équation et cette expérience restent des trucs importants dans l’Histoire de la Science (et c’est effectivement loin d’être le seul).
Comment on pourrait continuer à propager le principe de l’expérience sans en glorifier l’auteur ? 🤔
Parce qui si on commence à jeter des progrès et autres avancées sous prétexte qu’une ordure les a créés, ou simplement répétés parfois, ça va être difficile :/
lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
@breizh @stemy Ça peut être par virer le nom, mais je dirais qu'au moins changer la façon dont on parle de la personne c'est déjà un pas, par example ne pas mettre la personne sur un piédestal voir idolâtrer.
D'ailleurs c'est pas rare que les découvertes ne soient pas réellement attribuables à une seule et même personne, par contre pour les inventions c'est un peu plus compliqué parceque originalité. ★
davidrevoy
@breizh @stemy De toute façon, la science, l'equation reste 'vrai jusqu'a preuve du contraire', et j'imagine que plein de monde dégeux ont fait avancé la science, pour parfois de très mauvaise raisons (je fais confiance à l'humanité pour une multitude d'exemples bien sordide).
3 ★La partie à jeter: les salles d'amphis à son nom, ou de l'éloges posthumes.
Le côté "Chat de Schrödinger" expérience de pensé provocante et marquante restera sans doute dans la pop-culture longtemps...
elzen@fadrienn.irlnc.org
@breizh @stemy De toute façon, je pense aussi qu'on en fait beaucoup trop sur cette expérience de pensée.
Le principe de la superposition d'état est qu'une particule peut être dans deux états à la fois *tant qu'on n'essaye pas de le détecter*. Or le dispositif imaginé consiste en le fait de briser ou pas la fiole de poison en fonction de l'état de la particule, donc nécessite de détecter cet état, donc fait disparaître la superposition. Quel que soit la façon dont on pose les choses, le chat est forcément dans un seul état bien déterminé pendant tout le temps où il est dans la boîte (on ne sait pas lequel, mais c'est une limite de nos connaissances, pas une indétermination quantique). ★
elzen@fadrienn.irlnc.org
@breizh @stemy Là où le truc est intéressant (mais c'est totalement pas du fait de Schrödinger lui-même, et ça correspond plus à des apports théoriques développés depuis les années 90), c'est que l'expérience de pensée ne marche pas pour la même raison qui fait qu'elle nous choque.
En effet, son but est de nous faire imaginer une superposition d'état sur quelque chose de plus gros qu'une particule, ce dont on a pas l'habitude. Sauf que si on n'en a pas l'habitude, c'est parce que les interactions « normales » entre particules, sans qu'on ait besoin d'inventer de dispositifs à base de fiole de poison, forcent lesdites particules à se trouver dans des états déterminés chaque fois avant que ça puisse avoir d'effets à notre échelle. ★
elzen@fadrienn.irlnc.org
@breizh @stemy En d'autres termes, ce qui paraissait paradoxal à l'époque de Schrödinger commence maintenant à être plutôt bien compris. Et comme je l'ai mentionné hier, même s'il a apporté d'autres progrès théoriques sur d'autres points, le seul mérite de Schrödinger sur cette histoire de chat est d'avoir formulé le problème d'une manière qui retient l'attention (Einstein avait déjà formulé la même chose, mais avec un baril de poudre à la place du chat, par exemple).
Donc je pense qu'on peut de toute façon arrêter d'en faire des caisses avec cette histoire de chat dans une boîte sans que ce ne soit une perte terrible. De toute façon, le chat est probablement parti faire la sieste ailleurs, depuis le temps.
(Et je pose https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9coh%C3%A9rence_quantique là pour la partie théorique) ★
davidrevoy
@elzen @stemy @breizh Merci!
★weyoun6@kolektiva.social
I'm pleased to see more people learning this. People who have been spreading this information are a small but growing group.
breadbin@bitbang.social
If you go dig just a tiny bit there’s an awful lot of terrible things to find about a lot now dead famous people.
Several famous authors had terrible sides, as well as scientists. The movie industry is completely filled with horrors.
Not saying your reaction is wrong, quite the opposite. Just saying it’s sadly pretty easy. :(
(I think you would make a pretty good political cartoonist. But I quite enjoy your work in general.)
stemy@mstdn.social
À la lumière de ces révélation, peut-on dire qu'on l'apprécie et ne l'apprécie pas en même temps ?
davidrevoy
@stemy 👏 👏 👏 , Touché !
★lamecarlate@pouet.it
Oumf. I knew about it (I learnt it recently), and it's so, so painful. « Jamais de héros » is my motto, but it's difficult to maintain.
davidrevoy
@lamecarlate Oh yes, difficult to follow this motto that I understand perfectly!
(But then my brain starts exception for Pratchett, Bowie, Toriyama, Loomis, Tsukasa Hojo, etc... etc... 😆)
★nemo@camp.crates.im
._.
hhg@infosec.exchange
holy fuck, had no idea, that's absolutely disgusting
★pjohanneson@mstdn.ca
wait what
Jebus wept.
★scottcarlson@hachyderm.io
Thanks for this info. I will try to never refer to him again. Maybe I'll only ever call it the "Quantum Cat" experiment?
★davidrevoy
@scottcarlson I think if I need to refer to it, I'll use "Einstein unstable keg of gunpowder" that came a bit before with the same metaphor, but the story with the cat of Schrödinger did stick better in history : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat#Origin_and_motivation
3 ★apophis@mycrowd.ca
@scottcarlson i like it
easy to remember
easier to spell ★
collateralcrisis@mastodon.art
Wow. What an absolute shitbag.
★bronakins@sfba.social
Ewwwwwe! 🤢
eribosot@mastodon.social
Minutes after reading this, I learned that the creator of the famous Gill Sans font, also called the "British Helvetica," Eric Gill, had sex with his daughters, his sisters and his dog. Is today National Disillusionment Day?
davidrevoy
@eribosot 😱 It looks like it is...
eribosot@mastodon.social
I'll never look at the logos of the BBC, Tommy Hilfiger, Wikimedia or Philips the same way again.
davidrevoy
@eribosot 'Good' to see it is well documented too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Gill#Sexual_abuse , thank you for the info.
apophis@mycrowd.ca
@eribosot National Just Use Comic Sans For Everything Day ★
zenheathen@mstdn.ca
:O Get in the box, Erwin.
★match@pawb.fun
I'm pretty sure Hatsune Miku is the progenitor of quantum mechanics and the inventor of the cat-box thought experiment
slowpoke@chaos.social
@match i really hope this meme never dies and in a thousand years historians will be puzzled by who exactly this legendary polymath called hatsune miku was and how she has invented everything from quantum mechanics to minecraft while simultaneously being a popular singer who somehow appeared on hundreds of thousands of songs by thousands of different artists
match@pawb.fun
@slowpoke I like to call it "Damnatio Hatsune"
utopify_org@veganism.social
"predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius"
This is the most disgusting diary entry I've ever read *puke*
AnotherNewbie@corteximplant.com
WHAT?!?!!? I am saddened to hear that. Too much suffering sometimes.
AnotherNewbie@corteximplant.com
I mean saddened that he did that.
Npars01@mstdn.social
One of the relatively unacknowledged risks to public health is the sexual abuse of children.
So much evidence of societal trauma exists, yet it is ignored as a public health issue.
South Korean & Japanese women so traumatized by the rampant misogyny of their cultures, that the birth rate had plummeted.
Male supremacy has economic consequences
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/03/south-korea-fertility-rate-misogyny-feminism/673435/
New Zealand evidence that child victims of sexual abuse have reduced life expectancy of 10 to 20 years less
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Npars01@mstdn.social
Residential schools & child sexual abuse in New Zealand, Australia, UK, & Canada
https://www.news.library.auckland.ac.nz/2017/10/06/native-schools/
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2017/quite-genocide/index.html
Irish & Italian Catholic abuse that triggered a diaspora of immigrants & rates of alcoholism
https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ps.53.8.1001
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/11/pressure-on-italy-catholic-church-face-child-sexual-abuse-reckoning
American churches hiding massive sexual abuse scandals (Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, Jewish, Jehovah Witness, Sikh, etc) and an onslaught of gun violence & suicidal behavior.
(Original message has been truncated: read the complete original message here.)davidrevoy
@Npars01 Thank you for all this links to continue on the topic. I'll probably read them another evening. It's a bit too heavy and I need to dip only a small toes into these waters for a limited time per day. But I'll do as I think information about it must be spread and understood by the largest part possible of the population.
3 ★Npars01@mstdn.social
The scale of the cover up to shield sexual predators from consequence boggles the mind.
Centuries of exploitation & predation was ignored to bolster a male supremacist social convention.
Continuing efforts to shush the victims of predators are callousness personified.
It wasn't just the famous exploiting their fame.
They were surrounded by people who basked in their association with him; who never spoke up to protect these girls.
valentin_petzel@aut.social
Good thing to learn. Again a case of "great people are not necessarily good people".
★alien@mastodon.green
wtf that's awful I had no idea either
★darekpages@mastodon.social
★I didn't know he did such things!
Orca@nya.one
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Holy cow I never heard of that. Thanks for letting me know.
★astralaegis@dice.camp
didn't see Schrodinger being milkshake ducked for me in 2023, but here we are
davidrevoy
@astralaegis Same.
(And TIL for "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkshake_Duck" expression. Thank you, very interesting to know it.)
3 ★thomy2000@social.linux.pizza
Good riddance.
ammoniumperchlorate@rheinneckar.social
Couldn't agree more. Now we just need to rebaptise the Schrodinger equation. "Non-relativistic Klein-Gordon equation" is a bit clunky though :(
n1ckfg@merveilles.town
"Is Schrödinger uncancelled, or is he cancelled?" I wonder, as I click the Wikipedia link and begin to read
wwwgem@social.linux.pizza
Unfortunately quite a number of smart guys had very reprehensible behaviors/ideas/talks... I may be pessimistic but I think the contrast between their public and private faces makes that shocking but more anonymous people than we dare to imagine have the same problems.
★mattjhodgkinson@scicomm.xyz
Yep
🖼️ 7ef54b73ba853f88.jpgmorpheo@kolektiva.social
oh. wow.
and also wtf!
@hosford42
#Sexual_abuse #schrodinger #quantum #physics
hosford42@techhub.social
@morpheo Yeah, I had no idea. It bothers me that this stuff can stay buried like that. Nobody talks about it. Disgusting.
morpheo@kolektiva.social
@hosford42
we obviously need to talk more. And, as I was taught in design uni: "kill our darlings."
gmoke@mastodon.social
When We Cease to Understand the World by Benjamín Labatut is a great book of new fiction which includes Schrödinger and other physicists with all their foibles. Very good reading, despite Erwin's crimes.
NoctisEqui@mastodonapp.uk
I shall call it ‘The Cat’ from now on.
SteveBologna@mstdn.social
Oh, this is something I wished I didn’t know and read
Greengordon@spore.social
Sounds like narcissism. It's pathological, incurable, and should be tested for.
"Schrödinger kept a record of his sexual liaisons including children he sexually abused in a diary he called Ephemeridae, in which he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius".
stellarskylark@solarpunk.moe
however bad you think this is gonna be nothing prepares you for the diary quote in that first paragraph good lord
vis4valentine@soc.vis4valentine.com
he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius"
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fluffy@plush.city
@photex insert glib comment about the superpositional nature of people who you haven’t looked into yet
★photex@icosahedron.website
@fluffy I’m worried. :(
★liw@toot.liw.fi
I am, again, reassured that my conviction to not have heroes, is justified.
I can respect specific things people do, but I don't assume that means they're good people. More weakly, I don't even assume they've not done bad things.
★echedelle@fediverse.gay
★I would kindly suggest to put this under CW as some people could be triggered with the sexual abuse of minors.
There could be people here who experienced it and may feel very bad as well as some having to relive things.
davidrevoy
@echedelle Hi, thank you. I'm affraid if I edit now it will pop in top of the notification of everyone who interacted with the post, and I propably want to avoid this effect now.
I already had two feedback in PM about this, I discussed and, yes, sorry, I feel a CW would have been appropriate to not be exposed by this topic.
I'm learning.
At the same time, the content I put here is minimal, similar to what the title of the CW would have been. The link is the real content, and require action.
ciredutempsEsme@mamot.fr
aaaand another one
andreimoment@ruby.social
WTF
Schrödinger kept a record of his sexual liaisons including children he sexually abused in a diary he called Ephemeridae, in which he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius".
maiwann
Merci pour l'info ! :shibamad:
★Monolecte
Ah ouais, le sale type.
★fsologureng@chilemasto.casa
thanks for sharing.
I imagined a cat coming out of the box with one certainty: pedophile.
bins@mamot.fr
Somehow, that disgusting part of his life was never mentioned in the numerous lectures about his life's achievements. (And I went pretty far in physics academia.)
It's really shocking.
★Hope that with more reckoning, naming and shaming, these atrocities will end.
lotharmucki@todon.nl
Ughh, shit. Did not know that. Thank you for teaching me this. Awful!!!!
andreasdotorg@infosec.exchange
ewwww! Wasn't aware of this.
ianwelsh@mstdn.social
genius and good character are orthogonal to each other
sonjalemke@ruhr.social
yes, and it was written in every biography like it was nothing and despite knowing that they still called him a science hero whos name you can put on everything for decades
★neodimio11@slippy.xyz
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Remember like, according the wikipedia itself, it is not a primary source/primary reference, and you need to the references to try to approximate to prove that you are saying was really true.
neodimio11@slippy.xyz
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org It seems that in the book "Erwin Schrödinger and the quantum revolution" by John Gribbin (2012), pages 131-132, is on of the references of that you are saying. It's a primary one? Probably not, but we are closer than previously
★StompyRobot@mastodon.gamedev.place
Also, the cat thought experiment is dumb, because you can't actually shield a box from things like gravity.
If you did, you could essentially never open it back up -- it would be a new universe.
Anyway, art, artist. Humans can be terrible (and in this case, clearly was,) so I prefer the ideas which can have their own life!
pernia@cum.camp
cc @MercurialBuilding are you seeing this
MercurialBuilding@cawfee.club
@pernia didn't know this
pernia@cum.camp
@MercurialBuilding me neither. how do u feel about it
MercurialBuilding@cawfee.club
@pernia I don't know enough about it to comment. Schroedinger was brilliant regardless.
pernia@cum.camp
@MercurialBuilding he raped little girls.....
MercurialBuilding@cawfee.club
@pernia Yes that's terrible
xro@chaos.social
#Sexual_abuse #schrodinger #quantum #physics
https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000132657725/erwin-schroedinger-missbrauchstaeter-undoder-rufmordopfer
Wikipedia verlinkt als Quelle obigen Artikel, der wesentliche Differenziertes sagt als die Wikipedia. Das sagt zumindest mal nix gutes über die Artikelqualität der WP 😑 wenn man eine Quelle so "zusammenfasst" und dabei zum gegenteiligen Schluss kommt.
Unabhängig davon sind die Vorwürfe, dazu weiß ich nix 🤷, aber Zweifel dürften mir aktuell noch angebracht sein.
Lesen lohnt sich jedenfalls.
xro@chaos.social
#Sexual_abuse #schrodinger #quantum #physics
In short, if you read the article from DerStandard, it sounds to me very much like Schrödinger knew exactly where to draw the line, skirted close but never crossed it.
Very different from how wikipedia summarizes the article.
davidrevoy
@xro Can't read: German and Paywall.
2 ★Also, according to the paragraph on Wikipedia, he crossed the line big time with disastrous outcomes.
eest9@chaos.social
I've freed it for you via deepl: https://pads.c3w.at/code/#/2/code/view/mkeleYsMwpZhMMVlxxLUHW6xbo7-1oxEN2KS5ewEc9g/present/ (although I'm not aware of a paywall at derstandard) @xro I'm not that convinced from that article. It all comes down to if Moore reported his findings correct or if they were incorrect (minor dating errors aside). That nobody after him got access to the diaries makes me rather skeptical.
davidrevoy
@eest9 @xro Thanks for the translation and the link.
davidrevoy
@eest9 @xro Ha, my bad about the paywall: it was probably a screen obscuring the content about aproval for cookies, or a adv for subscribing; but because it was all in German, I thought it was a Paywall adv because the content behind was shadowed and with limited amount of character. I clicked a random button, and the article appeared.
2 ★me_the_fl00f@cybre.club
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org On pages like derstandard (Austrian newspaper) or other pages like heise and so on it is mostly the left button. The right button is often to get a subscription. With the left button you get it (or parts of it, depending which media) for free but this free is a kind of cookie accept and collect metadata (just open such things in a private tab then the settings are gone after you quit the browser).
★uint8_t@chaos.social
@me_the_fl00f I think it’s time someone tries out the GDPR on these heise & standard and co
ferdinandosantacroce@mastodon.social
omg, that's awful
★Harald@mastodontech.de
https://www.derstandard.de/story/2000140122217/schroedingers-verlorene-ehre-und-ein-versuch-ihrer-wiederherstellung
davidrevoy
@Harald Hi, please use the 'Talk' tab of the Wikipedia article if you think you have a new source or link and want to contribute. It will be lost if you post the link here without context (especialy because this is an article in German, and I can't read it, but I already did because someone on other comments sent it to me translated in English with DeepL.)
Harald@mastodontech.de
Sorry, what do you mean with the 'Talk' tab?
davidrevoy
@Harald Hi, if you open the Wikipedia page, and scroll on the top; under the title of the article you have a menu with a "Talk" entry. This section is where editor on Wikipedia and contributor talks to improve the article.
Because you just dropped a link, I thought you wanted to add a source to the article, but you didn't know how to do it. So I tried to guide you to the right part of Wikipedia to do so.
Harald@mastodontech.de
Aha - ok, that's good. I will look ...
And thank you!
★Harald@mastodontech.de
So, I have had a look in the 'Talk' tab (german: Diskussion): there is already a discussion about the article in the "Standard" and about the wrong information about Schrödingers relationship to children - it was a typical german thing: without real knowledge, lurid claims are made ...
sciencebase@mastodon.social
Yep. Horrendous. Remember reading about this in John Gribbin's biography of Schrodinger in 2012
★pm2000@hostux.social
Notre logo y fait référence ! https://boc47.org/
pm2000@hostux.social
🖼️ 6f0b43cd08cf87f4.png
davidrevoy
@pm2000 Fortunately, logo like that are still pretty neutral as long as there is no bottle of poison and hammer (the element of the experiment of thought that does reference) just a cat in a box is not a direct reference.
In the comments here, some proposed to just use the name "Quantum cat" instead of naming it "Schrödinger cat", this way it avoids to send too much praising while keeping the pop culture element.
castarco@hachyderm.io
wtf :blobfoxterrified:
★paninodesu@mastodon.social
never was my "idol" or anything but HF!
mudasobwa@mastodon.social
oh, that famous never-failing wiki-proof, which references the not publicly available dairy and some biography written by a no-name in 2012. It’s pathetic.
glennbone@mastodon.art
ewww wtf how am I only now reading about this? 🤢
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